Curse

Gill Halendt · May 30, 2010, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by mini pet monster

Anet has won today's battle against bots, but has done little to combat RMTs. Anyone with half a brain could catch these guys.

Yup, like anyone with half a brain could catch rupt-bots or farming bots in Bergen Hot Springs.

And, oh, they did.

Don't assume they can't do anything / won't do anything / aren't doing anything about it. Botters felt safe just because Anet acted silently against this issue and there they go, a lot of them banned with no explicit forewarning.

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

As far as Anet getting to a ban on further bots, we can rest assured they aren't paying the new staffers to stand around and pat each other on the backs for this one ban. Having re-introduced people to ways of reporting was a clear indicator that they still need player input, of which i am more then willing to give. Rather then a lengthy petition, lets start using the paths clearest to helping this situation, report, report, report. Think we all know how fast this will break down toa "botters are evil" " non botters are jealous" war...

I don't belive in legends and fairy tales like they said "We have hired new staff members to track down bots". They didn't hire anyone simply checked for dll injections which problem has been solved in any game 568985 years before release.

This 3700+ botters are terminated, NCsoft protection is the best Lineage 2, aion proves it (sarcasm), GW never dies blabla... are obviously for marketing they just needed some flashy bans before the release of GW2.

I know players who got their highranked account banned because they botted in pve like 5 hours for a joke title, or synched codex arena which is the biggest joke pvp format anet has ever ever ever done. All these for a worthless title which nobody takes care of just botted it for fun because at that time nothing has been done about botting.

NOTE: anet won't reply to this, they don't give a shit about bots like RMT which bans won't be soo coooool for marketing.

Gill Halendt · May 30, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by GoF

They prefer to detect a bot and let it farm a few more stacks of ectos, than just ban it right away ... just to get that stupid artiacle that's all about MARKETING.

Gotta love oversimplification running rampant on internet forums.

End of January: loading of external libraries - such as the graphics.dll - is void to prevent botting. Then they improved their detection methods, investigated these cases and then dished out the account terminations when they could reasonably assume they were hitting a botter and not innocent players.

That's what? 4 months. Not much in my books when dealing with such a wide-spectrum problem. More prompt intervention can be dangerous. I can't believe people ask for quicker reactions and then also complain about bans catching innocent people.

The Arching Healer · May 30, 2010, 11:12 AM // 11:12

The botters knew that they were risking a ban, but it is retarded that people that just tried out the rupt bot for example (for 10 mins) get the same punishment as people that farmed $1000 in PvE.

Gill Halendt · May 30, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

The botters knew that they were risking a ban, but it is retarded that people that just tried out the rupt bot for example (for 10 mins) get the same punishment as people that farmed $1000 in PvE.

Sure, the second one should face more severe consequences.

shoyon456 · May 30, 2010, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Sure, the second one should face more severe consequences.

The first should get perma banned and the second should have his tongue cut out?

Or did you have something else in mind?

Gill Halendt · May 30, 2010, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

The first should get perma banned and the second should have his tongue cut out?

Repeated offenders should be kept off the service completely, while I wouldn't mind an occasional botter to be able to get a new account and start over, as long as he/she doesn't break the rules again.

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

The botters knew that they were risking a ban, but it is retarded that people that just tried out the rupt bot for example (for 10 mins) get the same punishment as people that farmed $1000 in PvE.

This is what i exacly was thinking, trying out interrupt bot for a few hours to learn to play against them and people that make money out of game gets same punishment. Also half of them wasnt even caught, nice joke.

Nerel · May 30, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Kiky

This is what i exacly was thinking, trying out interrupt bot for a few hours to learn to play against them and people that make money out of game gets same punishment. Also half of them wasnt even caught, nice joke.

Why should you need to try a bot in order to play against it? Wouldn't it make more sense to report the bot and move on? We shouldn't have to play against bots, and there is NO excuse for using one. So clearly the ban was justified. As for the botter involved in RMT, he would likely be facing more than just a ban if he was caught for his RMT actions... Anet goes to some effort to block such people.

Anon-e-mouse · May 30, 2010, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by don_the_vito

*Note* Used a multi-gw client so I could play + trade that used injection, gg on my part.

Texmod WILL NOT get you banned,

GWML (or GWx2) WILL NOT get you banned.

If you got banned it's because A-net thinks you botted or particpated in match manipulation.

I've used Texmod and GWML almost constantly, and none of my accounts are banned.

Messy · May 30, 2010, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

And Peace And Harmony? lol that was a 1 man gold-trim guild that I ran before that account was banned last wednesday. That account never ran a bot and I rarely logged on it so you are obviously delusional.

That account may have not run a bot, but obviously YOU did, with a different account. ANET banned YOU and all your accounts. Had they just banned that alternate account you used to bot whatever it is you botted, you would be sitting there laughing and proud of not being caught, 'cause you are smarter then them. Unfortunately for you, this time, they banned the person behind the bots.

Looking at that picture somebody else posted on what you lost on your accounts, I can understand the motive for this thread. That is a lot you lost there. Why would you risk losing it all by doing something you knew you were not supposed to do is baffling to me.

I haven't played much at all for several months now, but I know a few friends have been banned. I feel sorry for them, they are good people, fun to hang around with, fun to play with, but in the end, if they made the choice to run a bot to get title # 89, or run a bot to farm in game then they knew what they were risking.

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Originally Posted by Kiky

I know players who got their highranked account banned because they botted in pve like 5 hours for a joke title, or synched codex arena which is the biggest joke pvp format anet has ever ever ever done. All these for a worthless title which nobody takes care of just botted it for fun because at that time nothing has been done about botting.

so you know players that cheated because they were bored, or wanted to try something new, or botted for fun? and you feel they should not be punished because you believe ANET had not done anything about botting? so I guess that makes botting acceptable in your world?

Most of the guys that got caught I'm pretty sure are seasoned players. They've been around through most GW bans. Some had managed to avoid the ban hammer before. Why risk losing it all is something I will never understand.

Tullzinski · May 30, 2010, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

So you are perfectly content with Anet banning the players who might have just loaded up a small bot infrequently. But you don't care about the people who exploit or bot for real money?

No offense but you are either an obvious hypocrite, or you are a dirty exploiter

Yes I am perfectly content with ANET banning players who loaded any bot for any amount of time.

Also if you have EVER read any of my other post about botting you would know that I have always said it was about money for many botters that are selling the stuff. You are way late to the party on that!!! No offense, but you can take your name calling and shove it. You can review my posts in this thread if you dont believe me:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...tml?t=10422646

Like I said before you seem to know alot about who is botting for money and have more than once in this thread complained that they are still botting REPORT THEM and quit wasting time here complaining that they are still botting.

ALSO YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO THE BOTTING PROGRAM.

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Why should you need to try a bot in order to play against it? Wouldn't it make more sense to report the bot and move on? We shouldn't have to play against bots, and there is NO excuse for using one. So clearly the ban was justified. As for the botter involved in RMT, he would likely be facing more than just a ban if he was caught for his RMT actions... Anet goes to some effort to block such people.

About interrupt bot and botting in general anet didnt do anything for like 1 year, so ofc we wanted to learn to play against them. Moreover do u think we didnt report them? Personally I reported like 10 bots a day, nothing happened.

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess Withme

so you know players that cheated because they were bored, or wanted to try something new, or botted for fun? and you feel they should not be punished because you believe ANET had not done anything about botting? so I guess that makes botting acceptable in your world?

Most of the guys that got caught I'm pretty sure are seasoned players. They've been around through most GW bans. Some had managed to avoid the ban hammer before. Why risk losing it all is something I will never understand.

No botting is not acceptable, it should have never been this widespread, if u have read through the post of OP carefully u would know what I'm talking about. If they have stopped it before botting was so common then like 100 accounts would have been banned and not 4000. There's only one explanation for this MARKETING.

Also, most of the banned ppl are NOT the ones who have ever used bot before and got banned. Just ask ur mod friend Lemming, his main got banned for botting so u say he simply avoided banhammer before?
Get a clue about game then talk in this topic pls (-this is mostly not for u mod guy but every forumer in general who have never done anything than troll farming in droknar.)

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

The botters knew that they were risking a ban, but it is retarded that people that just tried out the rupt bot for example (for 10 mins) get the same punishment as people that farmed $1000 in PvE.

QFT.

It seems that a lot of you PvE'ers don't realise how may high-end respected players have been banned due to maybe trying the bot once. Some of these players were even people who have played the game for 5 years, never obtained one black mark, and get the same treatment as Asgas Gsgkasf who is controlled by a gold farming company, just because they injected once. As stated in previous threads, A-Net's mass ban stunt did little but generate a bit of positive PR, knowing that a lot of oblivious players will jump on the bandwagon for GW2, rejoicing in the glory that is A-Net's bot-busting movement.

And no, I'm not one of those who received a ban. Just a realist.

StormX · May 30, 2010, 03:38 PM // 15:38

*ahem* How is botting considered respectable? If they had any sort of moral integrity they would not have botted in the first place.

I'm glad to see the game rid of these dubious characters.

Ps. really mods, did you have to delete the most amusing parts of this thread?

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by StormX

*ahem* How is botting considered respectable? If they had any sort of moral integrity they would not have botted in the first place.

I'm glad to see the game rid of these dubious characters.

Well the sheer fact that they could play a game for 5 years, which is known for having a somewhat juvenile community, and refrain from obtaining any black marks. I have played for about that long, and over that time I've gathered numerous black marks due to abusive language ingame, etc. If you are going to play the morality game, then surely I should be banned too, as myself spamming racial slurs to someone is obviously worse than injecting a bot once. I actually had an effect on someone. The punishment should meet the crime.

StormX · May 30, 2010, 03:56 PM // 15:56

You know what? I would'nt have a problem if racist-spammers were perma banned too, but that's really not the point of this thread. Also, there are lots of people who have played the game for years without getting banned or reported. There is nothing extraordinary about it that entitles them to special treatment.

dancing gnome · May 30, 2010, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by mini pet monster

3. Anet figured they'd make the best of a bad situation, and turned this whole mess into a marketing masterpiece. "3700+ accounts banned! Botters are never safe! Long live guild wars!" If they stopped the issue back in September, it would have only been a measly 10+ accounts. If they actually consistently banned people for botting, and posted warning messages when you login during prime bot times (event weekends, double points weekends). They never would have been able to accumulate more than 100 bots at once. Most of the people banned today, would never have botted. But that's not their problem. With no checks in place for 9 months, it's not surprising it got this bad.

This is my biggest issue with the recent bans. If they had taken action sooner and more consistently, a lot of the people would have never broken the rules in the first place. You can say they broke the rules and should be banned all you like, that will never change the reality that by holding back on taking action or even saying something, Arena Net allowed the botting to spread to players it never would have in the first place.

StormX · May 30, 2010, 04:03 PM // 16:03

That is true. They should have been consistent with enforcing their policies in the first place. I hope too that this is not just a show, and that they will continue ridding the game of cheaters. Only time will tell.

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

This is my biggest issue with the recent bans. If they had taken action sooner and more consistently, a lot of the people would have never broken the rules in the first place. You can say they broke the rules and should be banned all you like, that will never change the reality that by holding back on taking action or even saying something, Arena Net allowed the botting to spread to players it never would have in the first place.

Exactly. Its like neglecting running drug rehab programs, just so they could catch more drug users. There would be no need for A-Net to ban so many players if they simply took action when the problem was presented. But then they couldn't have a flashy headline

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Originally Posted by StormX

That is true. They should have been consistent with enforcing their policies in the first place. I hope too that this is not just a show, and that they will continue ridding the game of cheaters. Only time will tell.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. If they really did care then they would have hit the problem before it became widespread, and irritated their beloved community for months.